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Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Marine / Defence
Lied to by the agency on a number of matters in addition to the IR35 decision being unappealable. Have started the appeal process and also expenses appeal as client is 100 miles away. I cannot fund trips and overnight stays. Suspect other folk may leave as will I when the market improves. I'm fed up being lied to again and it's another Manpower company thats done it. The other one I've been lied to is Experis and they even withheld payments over Christmas / New Year so I left that client to go elsewhere.
Posted anonymously
7 months ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Marine and technology
Blanket assessment. CEST questions answered incorrectly. Completely uninterested in conducting a fair assessment. Assessments being made on some sort of background political agenda.
Posted anonymously
7 months ago
End client
GE Aviation
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Cheltenham
Had a few agencies recently this week contact me in regards to going back to work for GE aviation at Cheltenham various Electronic Engineer roles working for Experis as a work package ? rates where only up to £40 per hour and not surprisingly as all contracts at GE are now all where inside IR35 .Told them no thanks as last time I worked there 3 years ago I was on £50 per hour and that was outside IR35 and even then left after 6 months as got fed up with the poor moronic management , boring unrewarding work and the petty prejudice towards me because I wasn't a permie and was a scummy money grabbing contractor LOL . Lot of contractors have recently left because of IR35 reasons and the poor way they have been treated in general . Probably best give this place a miss as not worth the bother any more for what they now pay , better contracts and clients out there for sure now , be interesting to see how long the site would last without the cost effective and flexibility of contracted resource .Online forums already talk of more redundancies and sell offs looming with the GE corporation being in such dire straits only time will tell what the future holds for GE and the Cheltenham site in particular.
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
BAE Systems
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Warton
Unfair inside IR35 assessment in 2020, appeal rejected without considering evidence, would not reconsider appeal in 2021. I’m looking for another role elsewhere, don’t care if it’s inside or outside IR35, I’m leaving as soon as I find something else.
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
Expleo Group
IR35 fairly assessed
Fairly and individually assessed as low risk and outside IR35 using the Kingsbridge Tool using both client and company inputs to the questionnaire. All contractors I know are happy and have WP and SoW based contracts to work with.
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Everyone has been deemed inside. Blanket ban. Crest tool used for initial determination. On appeal, no updated crest report. Crest tool reports not determined, so this is a Blanket inside decision
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Blanket inside. Not a great experience
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
Boeing
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: BDUK
All Contractors blanket banned. Though they deny this. CEST Assessment used with no input from worker. I appealed but took my time and used Objective Evidence. Reply came back very quickly. Only feedback was along the lines of we believe our answer is correct and stand by CEST tool. According to BDUK, £6600 per year on digs isn't substantial. They then said that Morson agreed with them. On contacting Morson, they stated BDUK had NOT contacted them re my appeal. So BDUK blatantly lied. After my appeal they changed 1 answer to agreed with me. A small victory. So I take that to prove BDUK got their assessment wrong. All Contractors now having to use Umbrella Companies with all that entails. Not a happy place to be now. Most actively looking to leave.
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
Tods Defense
Outside IR35 banned
Division: Defense
No Assessments done. No SDS provided. All 3 major projects impacted. All Contractors leaving. Arrogant atmosphere. We are apparently selfish and greedy not to stay without an Uplift.
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
MBDA
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: MBDA - Defence
The client used E&Y tool to determine SDS. Answered questions on behalf of the contractor without consulting them, and answered them incorrectly! Appeals process available, but they have not offered any compensation towards losses / No consultation / no rate review / *(no effort!!). As a result, i am actively looking for another contract outside IR35 and will leave with minimum notice! At least 30% of contractors have already walked!
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
Leonardo
Other
Division: Engineering
Leonardo HR worried about shop floor contractors fitters & electricians (direct workers) up and leaving post IR35 so have increased their umbrella pay rates by £4.00 per hour to help soften the blow and entice them to stay (minimising impact to projects). Unfortunately no rate increases have been given to the IR35 hit contractors in any other departments (Engineering/Design/Material Procurement etc.). Why are Leonardo discriminating?
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
Leonardo
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Engineering
Despite a strong case for an outside IR35 appeal. As with the experience of other contractors, a generic letter from HR, with zero explanation to explain the rationale for the INSIDE decision. No detail or effort. Umbrella or PAYE only options. Many contractors leaving with many more planning to take their skills elsewhere. No movement on pay rates either to account for the fact we now have to pay Leonardo's employee NI & Apprentice Levy. Engineering Management need to be aware that critical projects are about to be heavily impacted.
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Network Engineering
Same flawed shambles I inside decision as last year. They are cherry picking who they keep on outside IR35. I left at contract renewal rather than suffer the inside IR35 utter nonsense.
Posted anonymously
8 months ago
End client
MBDA
Unfair IR35 assessment
Very lazy approach to the whole assessment process. Contractors not engaged with, many assumptions and incorrect answers entered into the Ernst & Young ‘inside’ biased questionnaire . Disappointing but not unexpected as it’s just a carbon copy of 2020’s mess. SDS’s issued so late the appeals will not arrive till mid April, by which time MANY contractors will have retired or moved on. Things will eventually change, but there’s going to be some pain felt at MBDA very soon.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
MBDA
Unfair IR35 assessment
Flawed assessment carried out using Ernest & Young. Received exactly the same score as last year. More worryingly exactly the same score as my cohorts which clearly demonstrates a blanket lazy approach taken. Some of the answers are blatantly incorrect. A competent manager would have checked in with myself or at least read my contract first.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
Lockheed Martin
Unfair IR35 assessment
Assessed inside IR35 without consultation. Employers deductions taken from personal income unlawfully.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
Airbus
Outside IR35 banned
Division: Defence&space
No cest asseshas been done. It looks like there is a total ban on contracting, although you can still continue with ltd completion of your wanna pay all available taxes in the world and ear see amount of money. More over there is a risk of retrospective tax investigation. If you object to their decision, they basically fire you. Suck it up or leave it , no help is offered
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
BAE Systems
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Naval ships
Took the contract with BAE as I thought that a client of this size would put some effort into the IR35 decisions. How wrong I was. CEST tool used and inside IR35 decision reached without any discussion with myself or even the department leads. The appeal was rejected even though case law assessment from accountants and my own CEST answers were provided as part of the evidence. I have since terminated the contract and found a perm role elsewhere. Such a shame but I suspect many will continue in the same role with BAE but under perm staff contracts
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
Leonardo
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Engineering
Blanket response to SDS appeals after 44 days with generic letter from Leonardo Helicopters HR department stating Inside scope determination still stands. Umbrella or PAYE are the only options available to contractors here from April 6th.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
BAE Systems
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Warton
Given a blanket assessment before I started the role but told to appeal once working practises could be assessed. Did this but working practises and contract were ignored and so appeal rejected. Very disappointed that from BAEs point of view the contract had no value and no bearing. Now looking for a new engagement. Feel really let down as this was a classic case of lump it or leave it.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
BAE Systems
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: BAE SUBS barrow.
BAE Systems AI ltd BAE Systems AI ltd Consultancy U-turn / deferral AGENTS PLACING HERE Don't want to say IR35 CV19 IR35 FEEDBACK ON BAE SYSTEMS AI LTD IR35: Flawed / unfair 4 minutes ago Agent: Don't want to say Division / department: BAE SUBS barrow. Well, blanket assessed. Seems a limited 5% have got outside when some should def not be. I am outside due to my role, the way I work and my contract, but have been assessed inside. In my appeal the contract bae were happy to use over the last few years was rejected and my list of 20+ points where ignored as the apprentices doing the vetting would only stick rigidly to the cest tool. Initially I was told to look into PAYE which I wasted my time on. Then I was told to commit permiside on a rubbish deal or get bagged. New manger with no clue what I do, how much money I have saved the company, how valuable I am to my team. No negotiation on a permie deal. Take it or leave it. Goodbye BAE and looks like I will not be back in Barrow again unless you have a change of direction in the future. Have I new job Outside IR35 elsewhere were they have fairly assessed roles and changed the way they work to conform. Yes a proactive company who realise the importance of keeping highly skilled workers, how refreshing. The project will be hit significantly but will push on. BAE Barrow will loose 50-200 good contractors which I guess is minor to them and they won't care. I am feeling stressed and let down by the whole saga, it has been draining mentally on top of everything else. The gov will now get significantly less tax from me and they would if I had gone PAYE or staff. It all makes no sense from a tax point of view and has caused unwanted stress for all concerned and affected my mental health.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
Lockheed Martin
Unfair IR35 assessment
CEST SDS with incorrect answers gives an inside result. No consultation, answers don't match contract or working practises. Some answers are only subtly different to reality but that's good enough for CEST to flip you inside! Some are being asked if they want to go permie orto stay on inside IR35 via brolly or PAYE. Regarding pay, Optamor say "As a result of statutory costs associated with the change of engagement from a PSC Contractor to a PAYE engagement, the overall cost to the Client for each engagement will increase, and it is unlikely that the Client will be able to increase your rate to match your current take home pay. Therefore, your PAYE pay rate will be calculated based on your current PSC pay rate with the following deductions as required by law Employers National Insurance, Apprenticeship Levy, employers pension contribution and accrued holiday pay. This will be your gross rate. In addition, Optamor will be required to deduct PAYE Tax, Employee’s NI and employee pension contributions on the PAYE pay rate, giving you your net take home pay" I thought employers NI was to be added on top, not deducted? I won't stay on inside IR35 on principle so my work go to the US.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
Airbus
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Defence and Space
SDS completed 3 months prior to my arrival - completely impossible to be based on working practices of an unknown party. Unofficially acknowledged that role would/should be outside IR35 but unwilling to reassess. All contractors deemed inside, company wide approach.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
MBDA
Outside IR35 banned
No chance of working properly..I was told Brolly only. No uplift to compensate
Posted anonymously
9 months ago
End client
BAE Systems
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Subs
Well Last year when they did the blanket coverage of IR35 I left the business as I was fully expecting IR35 to be implemented but it wasn't. So after several months away from the business, I was called to see if was interested in coming back to carry on with the projects that I had left on the 31st March 2020. Not to my surprise, nothing had been done since I left It was like I had never been away from everything that was still outstanding which I had prepared a handover doc and nobody had bothered to look at it and was still outstanding and putting BAE in a bad position contractually but hey I digress. So Fast forward to this year, I have had no contact from the BAE but my agent called me and told me I had two choices “they take my taxes”, “or I go umbrella” no determination no discussion they didn’t have the courtesy to speak to me on the phone just by email. So, I said to my agent no I have a third option is to leave again which they haven’t replied to me so I guess that I will be going on the 5th April 2021. But what bothers me I was there to do a specific role for a specific number of projects as they don’t have the expertise within the business to do my role and they don’t want to hire me as a permanent role as once the projects are done they don’t need me. Also, I have other clients that I work for hence why I am self-employed. My friend and colleague discussed went with a coherent argument as his business is on the supply chain approved list but he got the same blanket your inside IR35 no real discussion just the computer said “no”. So BAE is going to lose good contractors but hey there loss is someone else's gain.
Posted anonymously
9 months ago

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