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Outside IR35 banned
Division: Projects & Technology
Deeply flawed process in 2020 with appeals ignored. In 2021 Shell UK decided to work only with agency PAYE “contingent workers”. Employers NI, pension contributions and holiday accruals deducted from previous Ltd Co. Rates. The good and real contractors are gone or are going - leaving the monkeys to collect the peanuts.
Posted anonymously
1 year ago
Outside IR35 banned
Division: Shell Energy Trading
Blanket PSC bans as they cant be @rsed to do fair assesments!
Posted anonymously
1 year ago
Outside IR35 banned
Do not touch with a barge pole! Contacted by Eaglecliff, Advantage Resourcing and Michael Bailey Associates regarding a contract at Shell and all have said “name your price” for a day rate. What’s the catch? All contracts are Inside except no assessment is actually made. No amount of money would persuade me to take the risk and none of these agencies nor Shell give a toss about the risk to contractors. Terribly uneducated agents and obviously Shell too. Considering they’ve been making permies redundant and they want to adjust their model to more of one of Renewables, you’d have thought they would want talented contractors to assist them. Instead they’re all too lazy to do their due diligence and lead from the front on a fair IR35 outcome.
Posted anonymously
1 year ago
Outside IR35 banned
Division: IT
As of 1st December all new engagements and extensions will be on PAYE basis only. PSCs ban applies even where contractors are brought in by consultancies. Looks like they decided on an easy way out and not to bother with any assessments whatsoever... I wonder whether it is even legal...
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Other
Division: All Departments
Shell UK have begun the process of laying off all consultants and contractors and are offering volantary redundancy packages to permanent staff.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Permanent roles only
Division: Shell - Agile Hub
Shell are actively downsizing their contractor tech teams and switching to perm only with multiple projects put on hold or cancelled all together.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Division: IT
U-Turn on IR35 assessments but a recient email would indicte that "Shell have to protect cash reserves" because of Corona virus, so we exepect suspension of contracts to follow soon..
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Other
Communicated with Shell back and forth regarding a role replacing a previous contractor who was lost due to their poor handling or IR35. Confirmed day rate and start date, today role was rescinded amongst a company wide panic hiring freeze, wish I'd read these reviews beforehand. Joke of a company
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 u-turn made
Deferred implementation to 2021
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Shell Trading
Process is dragged out, no fair assessment is given. I was informed that my contract won't even be looked at when the determination is made, as this is Shell's opinion, which is provided by line manager, who more often than not is simply unaware of the projects/teams he is advising on. I would highly recommend avoid this company as there is simply no way to get straight answer to any question. Typical ignorant corporation.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Shell UK
Price Waterhouse Cooper (PWC) have been contracted by Shell UK Ltd. to carry out the tests on contractors to see if they have been infected with the IR35 virus. IR35 seems to be spreading rapidly and an epidemic is likely. The test consists of Shell Management washing their hands thoroughly of the entire mess and PWC marking you as infected with IR35 if they can spell your name. Please adhere to the following advice:- If a contractor suspects they may have an IR35 infection then they must self-isolate (work from home) from April 1st ad-infinitum. If a contractor thinks they have not been infected with IR35 they may challenge PWC/Shell but please be advised you will be faced will a wall of toilet roll the size of the Himalayas followed by compulsory drowning in a vat of hand sanitiser. Note that for all contractors infected with IR35 Shell are legally obliged to contribute vast amounts of NI (Not Interested) which is likely to be reflected in the work ethic of those remaining.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Division: All
Badly handled, left until last minute.They couldn't be bothered.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Blanket inside determination. People will talk with feet whether it be now or later. Very disappointing.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: IT
Dragging their feet on assessments, those that have been assessed are deemed inside IR35. The permanent staff should also be worried as one senior manage indicated that they intend to make a lot of perm staff redundant and then offer to hire them back on as consultants... under IR35 win win for shell.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
“Toeing the line” you mean x
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Middle management are towing the company line ticking the same boxes on pre loaded questions to blanket determine everybody inside. Leadership team couldn’t care less. Avoid.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Maintenance
Leaving determinations as late as possible. Backing everyone into a corner. No lube. Goodbye Shell. Let’s hope this hurts you. It could’ve been made to work.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Subsea
Left it far too late. Less than 5 weeks before implementation, every contractor has been deemed as IR35. In some cases, pay cut can be pushing 40%. Why should taxation be same as staff with NONE of the benefits or security. Nonsense. People have walked out. Good workers will be looking to leave stupid decision. Other operators are making it work. Shell could not be arsed. Goodbye.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: offshore projects
Flawed blanket assessment carried out by PWC on all contract staff on a project basis only, with the same outcome for everyone. No individual basis and no consultation with a single contractor. Total contradiction of contract terms. An apprentice lawyer could laugh this out court. Typical Shell attitude showing a total disregard to their contract workforce. Worse company I have ever worked for
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Engineering
Assessments are demonstrably flawed/incompetent. The appeals process will complete after the April deadline. Cost neutral so no compensation. Cynical behavior by Shell demonstrating a clear lack of respect for the Aberdeen professional engineering community. This will not be forgotten.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Projects
What a joke. The assessments by PWC are inaccurate and full or errors or untruths. Seems to have been written by a graduate and unchecked by anyone with any understanding or experience. PWCs assessment is also in direct contradiction to the T&Cs in Orion contract. Orion forwarded assessment without even realising this breach of contract. Clueless?
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Projects
Flawed and inaccurate assessment process, which was identical for everyone, even those already working on PAYE basis! Multiple appeals have been launched which we’re sure PWC will not be able to handle as they could not even get the basic facts correct. Response to appeals likely to be a whitewash. Serious questions raised about their honesty and integrity.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Thought individual assessments were meant to happen. Not the case. People leaving. Will have trouble attracting talent if they intend to class all roles as inside.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Chemicals
Assessment was done by pwc using a series of questions which were carefully worded to yield a definite "no" with a comments field that was ignored. I have yet to hear of a contractor being assessed as outside. Assessments came between mid February and March. Projects are severely impacted, contractors are leaving, atmosphere is bad, PWC is probably the only real winner here. Shell is certain to suffer severely from the fallout.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
No contractor resource substitution allowed by Shell anymore. Blanket ban.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Shell UK Ltd P&T (oil projects)
All contractors PAYE only, same SDS results for everyone despite claims of no blanket. Qdos fired and PWC used instead.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Still no assessment provided, manager has blanket told us all inside regardless with only option umbrella or perm. Majority leaving in April with a "this is fine" attitude from management. Panic replacement interviews are being rushed through with a sudden drop in quality.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Despite being a new role the nature of which is clearly outside IR35, am now being pushed to being inside with no assessment. The role runs for a number of months meaning I would be a zero rights or benefits employee. It seems as though there is a blanket inside determination without carrying out any individual or role assessments.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Aberdeen
Received email from Orion today, everyone determined as inside IR35. In my opinion it’s too risky to stay on so I will be leaving to work elsewhere at earliest opportunity.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: IT Engineering
Blanket ban. Perm of umbrella only. Grim atmosphere.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Blanket inside. If you challenge, your contract will be terminated, as has happened. Official appeal process is more like a self destruct button, a farce.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Total shambles. Shell have clearly given PWC a mandate to determine all contractors as inside IR35. Issue of the SDS has been continually delayed and we are again told they'll be issued this week. We've all been told what to expect (all inside). Atmosphere is terrible and it looks like many will move on to avoid an outside/inside continuity. Even if you did stay, Shell are taking a "cost neutral" stance so are happy to deem you as inside Ir35 but also want you to pay their Employer NI contributions. What a joke.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Supposedly individual assessments using PWC tool. However, those completeing the assessments have been given guidance that will ensure all inside IR35 in my department. I have not yet been assessed but have told to expect inside as this is guidance line manager has been given. Total sham, blanket inside but under the guise of we have done idividual assessments. We have even been asked what we will do when we are found to be inside, will we stay or go and don't bother asking for a rate rise.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: IT
Hiring mangers with advice from PWC have deemed all contracts within my department within IR35, when challenged the hiring manager said take it or leave it as Shell are increasing the Bangalore department to 6500 this year and he expects that all IT roles will be outsourced to Bangalore with the next two years.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: DevOps
Shell under advice from PWC have deemed pretty much all contracts inside IR35
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Agile Hub
Blanket assessment, they claim it isn't but the people conducting it have never met me! Deducting employers NI from current rates.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Thanks for those that have provided survey results; let's get some more! Interesting interim results. ~80% of respondents would leave if they're found in IR35, ~20% would stay only until they can find a better role. Nobody indicated they would remain, if found inside IR35.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Just trying to get a sense of the sentiment inside Shell. Might be useful to show how we're feeling as contractors in Shell and what people might do based on their determinations. Be really grateful for responses! https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/F5R7RQK
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Effectively everyone is inside. Umbrella or perm are the only options.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
To discuss this within Shell, please join this Telegram app group. Members will be validated as genuine PSCs so be prepared to share an anonymous picture of your contract. t.me/joinchat/QUmvxhCTQL_HDIkmH4395g
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
Division: ER
The view of a manager: Assessment conducted late last year. I informed my contractor that I was due to conduct the assessment, and informed her after I had done it. She confirmed it wouldn't impact her as she wasn't on a PSC... she had seen this coming when she joined earlier in Q1 2019 and put herself on PAYE. I did not want to hide anything so kept communicating... and it seemed to work better.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Everyone being told they are inside being given generic reasons which are worded exactly the same for everyone.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Just left with Hiring managers to blanket everyone within certain teams, absolute joke.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Division: Downstream IT
Shell thus far have been selling the promise of individual assessments, however, these are being performed by hiring managers without consultation with PSCs thus far. In a room of 100 attendees to an event organised by Eaglecliff, no one is the wiser as to how these assessments are being performed, how these questions are being answered or what SDSs have been. Deadlines of when assessments are to be completed have been pushed by 4 weeks leaving contractors very little time. Key parts of IR35 legislation (especially surrounding working practises and MoO) which requires PSC input are being omitted which ultimately favours and inside decision. Appeals process are in place for those truly working in a professional advice and consultancy basis though not hopeful of a favourable outcome;and if all goes well. The risk averse approach by Shell shown thus far leaves little to the imagination for future contracts. Going inside when previously outside is a red flag to HRMC and so finding a new contract elsewhere is really the only option with increased rates remaining.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
Been told there will be a blanket ban. What's worse is, as opposed to other companies who gave adequate warnings, Shell and Eaglecliff gave the impression that contractors would have a good chance being outside ir35, giving them little to no time to make any decisions to mitigate any risk.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
The hiring manager has stooped to coming on a contractor website to tell the 'story' rather than engaging with the PSCs just shows you.....
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Poor management all around. Shell mentioned previously it would be fair and assessed on an individual basis and now being told it will be blanket. Eaglecliff also mentioned that the set of questions will be more flexible than the CEST tool. Absolute rubbish, the CEST tool if answered accurately would put many contractors outside. Whenever questioned about what is going on, Eaglecliff have been unhelpful saying that they have 1000 other contractors to deal with so can't help resolve issues. If you have so many clients who you are leaching off, then hire more staff to deal with the load instead of telling the contractors at this stressful time that they can't be helped! Also was previously told that Shell will allow PSC's until April and now being told that new payment method must be available as soon as determination is made. Eaglecliff also mentioned they can't guarantee being paid on time for March due to the high admin work and also said that contractors shouldn't leave as it would cause them a lot of admin work. How empathetic. If Shell and Eaglecliff can't keep honest to their end of the bargain, why on earth should the contractors?
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Unfair IR35 assessment
The below from the hiring manager is incorrect and the assessments are not done correctly....smoke and mirrors
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
I am a hiring manager at Shell with a team of 30 going through the IR35 process. Although I shouldn't be getting involved in this I would like to clear up some misinformation in the thread below. The Facts Shell is committed to providing individual and fair assessments. With the help of PWC, most of these assessments have already taken place. Pros Fair Assessments, if the role is inside then Shell is directing people to Umbrella companies or to take permanent packages if offered. With all companies, this is to reduce risk to the company and agency, good luck finding a company that isn't doing this. If the role is outside of IR35 PSC's ARE PERMITTED! Cons The assessments are taking a while to be released, this is very frustrating but wholly PWC's and Shell's fault. Eaglecliff is providing regular updates to all contractors via email and are helping with questions where possible. They have helped me with my questions on numerous occasions and without them, some of my team probably would have resigned by now. Pros A knowledgeable company committed to providing updates and resources about what Shell is doing. Although I am not going, they are even putting on an event with Umbrella companies to give more information about this. How many other agencies are doing this? Cons Eaglecliff can only inform of new information when Shell has informed them. Unfortunately, updates from Shell are slow. I would encourage my Shell colleagues to have patience with Eaglecliff, they are not a huge agency and they are dealing with nearly 1000 contractors and their IR35 queries from Shell alone. I can imagine everyone is having trouble contacting their accountants due to IR35, it is a monolithic change to the community and everyone is under pressure. Shell are offering Permanent roles to some integral contractors. Pros Permanent roles with excellent company benefits. Cons The package isn't as lucrative as being an LTD contractor but that is the same across the board. Final note Please know the information before commenting on this thread. It doesn't help anyone to be misinformed. If in doubt give Eaglecliff a call, I have spoken with Carla, Wendy, Maria, Alfie and Charles and they have all been incredibly helpful. I would imagine the whole team is the same. Thanks
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Go Permanent or Umbrella. Individual assessments never happened and Eaglecliff hasn't have a clue on whats going on. No support to contractors.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Permanent or Umbrella only. Individual assessment never happened
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
Division: Shell
Many roles within and being directed to Umbrella companies to minimise risk, understandable. Some roles are outside and PSC is allowed. Shell is being slow with the assessment results but Eaglecliff are being more helpful than other agencies. Attending an event next week with Liberty Bishop which Eaglecliff are putting on to give over details about using Umbrella companies and answering any IR35 questions. I am glad to see a recruitment company being pro-active about this. A lot of my friends in other companies do not have a supportive agency on their side.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
Division: Shell
Individual assessments. If the contract is inside then Umbrella company, maybe PAYE but not sure. If the contract is outside then PSC are being permitted. Some perm roles have been offered. Eaglecliff is sending out good communications and are holding a conference with an umbrella company speaker to give more details.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 by exception only
Division: Agile Hub
Individual assessments carried out by PwC however 99% inside IR35. We have been told PAYE or Umbrella although rumours are circulating that that may have changed to Umbrella only. No rate increases. Terrible permanent packages being offered to some.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
Division: Shell
Individual assessments are done by PWC. If the contract is inside then PAYE or Umbrella If the contract is outside then PSC is allowed (TBC) No blanket assessments New information is presented by Eaglecliff
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 banned
Division: Trading and Supply
Been told there would be individual assessments by PwC until the 17th however none of that has transpired. Most likely a blanket inside IR35 ban to be confirmed this coming week.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 by exception only
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Posted anonymously
2 years ago
Outside IR35 by exception only
PAYE/umbrella only, with some exceptions
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
Division: Shell/ Technical services
Waiting assessment in January
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
Division: Shell Energy IT
Eaglecliff have consistently claimed that Shell are assessing on a case by case basis. But they have yet to share assessments. They have also started to share information on umbrella companies. There is a considerable delay in setting this status, leaving me waiting to make a decisions on my next steps.
Posted anonymously
2 years ago
IR35 fairly assessed
Assessing case by case
Posted anonymously
3 years ago

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